Legislature(1995 - 1996)
01/23/1996 01:06 PM House CRA
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HOUSE COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS
STANDING COMMITTEE
January 23, 1996
1:06 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Ivan Ivan, Co-Chair
Representative Alan Austerman, Co-Chair
Representative Jerry Mackie
Representative Kim Elton
Representative Al Vezey
Representative Pete Kott
Representative Irene Nicholia
MEMBERS ABSENT
All members were present.
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
HOUSE BILL NO. 358
"An Act relating to dog mushers' contests."
- HEARD AND HELD
PREVIOUS ACTION
BILL: HB 358
SHORT TITLE: DOG MUSHING CONTESTS/GAMES OF CHANCE
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) IVAN
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WITNESS REGISTER
DARIO NOTTI, Legislative Intern
Office of Representative Ivan Ivan
Alaska State Legislature
State Capitol Building, Room 503
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Telephone: (907) 465-4942
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented sponsor statement for HB 358.
DENNIS POSHARD, Director
Charitable Gaming Division
Department of Revenue
P.O. Box 110440
Juneau, Alaska 99811-0440
Telephone: (907) 465-2229
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions on HB 358.
JOE REDINGTON
HC 30, Box 5460
Wasilla, Alaska 99654
Telephone: (907) 376-5562
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported HB 358 with additional suggestions.
VIOLET REDINGTON
HC 30, Box 5460
Wasilla, Alaska 99654
Telephone: (907) 376-5562
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported HB 358.
DOUG KATCHATAG
P.O. Box 194
Unalakleet, AK 99684
Telephone: (907) 624-3490
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported HB 358.
CHRISTOPHER NAPOLI, Coordinator
Nushagak Classic
P.O. Box 1251
Dillingham, Alaska 99576
Telephone: (907) 842-1514
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported HB 358.
BEVERLY HOFFMAN
Board of Directors
Kuskokwim 300
P.O. Box 300
Bethel, Alaska 99559
Telephone: (907) 543-3300
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported HB 358.
HELEN DONAHUE, Legislative Assistant
to Representative Gary Davis
Alaska State Legislature
State Capitol Building, Room 420
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Telephone: (907) 465-2693
POSITION STATEMENT: Offered conceptual amendment to HB 358.
GEORGE WRIGHT, Charitable Gaming Manager
Alaska Native Brotherhood Camp #2
8516 Forest Lane
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Telephone: (907) 790-2678
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on HB 358.
ACTION NARRATIVE
TAPE 96-3, SIDE A
Number 0001
CO-CHAIR IVAN IVAN called the House Community and Regional Affairs
Committee meeting to order at 1:06 p.m. Members present at the
call to order were Representatives Ivan, Austerman, Mackie, Kott
and Vezey. Members absent were Representatives Elton and Nicholia.
HB 358 - DOG MUSHING CONTESTS/GAMES OF CHANCE
Number 0086
CO-CHAIR IVAN noted that the committee packets contained the bill;
relevant statutes; two zero fiscal notes, one from the Department
of Revenue and one from the Department of Community and Regional
Affairs; a sectional analysis; a sponsor statement; and a letter of
support from the Kuskokwim 300 Race Committee.
Number 0125
DARIO NOTTI, Legislative Intern and aide to Representative Ivan,
presented the sponsor statement for HB 358. He referred to a wall
map and pointed out that HB 358 would affect a minimum of twelve
dog races in Alaska, stimulating economic activity in at least nine
different communities. He said the legislation would make those
races, which brought in thousands of visitors, economically viable.
He added that employment during those races was almost exclusively
Alaskan. He explained HB 358 added dog mushers' contests to AS
05.15.180 and defined those contests in AS 05.15.690; it further
removed them from the sunset clause that would require the
legislation to be reenacted in four years. Mr. Notti informed the
committee that Dennis Poshard from the Department of Revenue could
answer technical questions.
Number 253
REPRESENTATIVE PETE KOTT referred to the sectional analysis and
asked about the sunset clause, stating his understanding that the
provision would not take effect until January 1, 2000.
MR. NOTTI said he understood that anything changed in that statute
between now and the year 2000 would need to be reenacted in 2000 if
it were not for Section 3 of HB 358.
Number 0378
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY referred to Section 2, subsection (b), and
asked for clarification on games of chance with three elements of
uncertainty.
DENNIS POSHARD, Director, Charitable Gaming Division, Department of
Revenue, responded that the concept of three elements of
uncertainty that could not be determined at the start of a race
originated with a bill passed the previous year for the Iditarod
mushing sweepstakes. When that bill was being discussed, it was
left up to the group conducting the activity to determine the three
elements. Possible elements included the total number of dogs to
cross the finish line, the temperature at the time the winner
crossed the finish line or other variables. However, no one had
yet conducted an activity of that type.
Number 0526
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY said he was having difficulty visualizing
exactly what the contest would be. The language did not say there
could be up to three elements of chance; it specified there would
be three elements.
MR. POSHARD agreed that was the way the Charitable Gaming Division
had interpreted the language. He added that in the interim, they
had worked with the Iditarod Trail Committee to try to implement
their mushing sweepstakes. The language applying to that
sweepstakes, which was nearly identical to language in HB 358, was
found by the Iditarod Trail Committee to be so constrictive that
they decided not to conduct their contest this year. They were
considering returning to the legislature for changes to their
definition of a mushing sweepstakes.
Number 0601
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY commented that the Iditarod Trail Committee
had found the wording unacceptable and now the same wording was
going into a new statute.
MR. POSHARD responded that he believed Co-Chair Ivan's office was
planning to work on the language with the Iditarod Trail Committee.
He said he himself had not spoken with that committee in the past
three weeks and did not know what steps they had taken regarding
new language.
Number 0682
REPRESENTATIVE JERRY MACKIE asked if HB 358 was intended to be like
the Nenana Ice Classic. In that contest, participants simply
guessed the time the ice would break up, causing the tripod to fall
over. He wondered, with the language in HB 358, if there could be
a guess, for example, as to the time the winner crossed the finish
line.
Number 0710
MR. POSHARD replied that the Iditarod Trail Committee's concern had
not been the three elements but the guesses. They had wanted an
automated game with choices randomly picked by a computer. The
Charitable Gaming Division had determined, through several prior
rulings within the division, that a guess required an active choice
by the participant; the computer setup proposed by the Iditarod
Trail Committee did not require such a guess. He added that the
Charitable Gaming Division did not necessarily oppose the concept
of a game such as the one proposed by the Iditarod Trail Committee;
however, the Iditarod contest did not fit within the definition.
Number 0830
REPRESENTATIVE KIM ELTON asked if the three elements could consist
of, for example, the twelfth hour, the fifteenth minute and thirty-
seventh second.
MR. POSHARD replied that he would not interpret it that way;
however, he said, he supposed if one wanted to stretch the
definition, it could be so interpreted. He explained that in the
beginning, the language of the previous year's Iditarod bill did
not include three elements of uncertainty. It required only the
closest guess of a single element of uncertainty, which he believed
was originally the finishing time. But that bill was amended in
the Senate Finance Committee, its last committee of referral, to
require three elements of uncertainty. The discussion around that
amendment had been that with only one element of uncertainty, there
would be too much possibility for collusion or cheating. Mr.
Poshard added he did not know how realistic that concern was, but
that was the reason for the present language. Whether or not that
language should be left in HB 358, he did not know.
Number 0942
CO-CHAIR IVAN noted that the committee had been joined by
Representatives Elton and Nicholia.
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON asked why the distance of 200 miles had been
included in HB 358. He noted that it omitted certain kinds of
races such as sprints.
Number 0960
MR. NOTTI responded that 200 miles was chosen because it was a long
enough distance that there would be less likelihood of being able
to fix the race.
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON commented that with three elements of
uncertainty, the 200 miles might not be much of a concern if one
element was time.
MR. POSHARD said although he did not know what happened in the
introduction of the bill, he understood from discussions that the
intent of the 200-mile minimum was to restrict contests to races
that would qualify a musher for the Iditarod.
Number 1020
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY asked if who came in first, who came in second
and who came in third would be considered one element of chance or
three.
MR. POSHARD replied he would consider that three elements of
chance.
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY asserted that it would not be terribly
difficult to commit fraud if someone wanted to rig the race.
MR. POSHARD said he did not know how difficult it might be to rig
the Iditarod, where mushers traveled 1,000 miles to Nome in
freezing cold temperatures. He said he imagined that a musher who
had been on the trail for 12 or 13 days in 60-below weather with
high winds would not be thinking about the exact second of crossing
the line. However, he admitted it would be possible to rig a race,
despite the significant amount of collusion required.
Number 1097
CO-CHAIR IVAN noted that the Iditarod Trail Committee had been
invited to participate via teleconference and asked if anyone from
that committee was on line. He then called on Joe Redington.
Number 1128
JOE REDINGTON testified via teleconference, saying he was
representing all dog mushers in Alaska, not just the Iditarod Trail
Committee. He recounted a contest in 1973 where there was only one
element of chance, the winner's time. He thought the proposed
contests would bring people to both the smaller races and the
Iditarod. The smaller ones, he added, could have simpler elements.
He believed the winner's time should be included, as well as
possible elements such as temperature at the start or finish of the
race, the last place finisher's time or other variables. He
suggested that with smaller races such as the Knik 200, the
Klondike 300, the Copper Basin 300 and the Kuskokwim 300, visitors
would be drawn from all over the United States because people like
a chance to win a few dollars.
Number 1251
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT asked Mr. Redington for his reaction to
including sprint races and lowering the mileage to, say, 20 miles,
given that Mr. Redington had indicated he represented all the dog
mushers of Alaska.
Number 1279
MR. REDINGTON clarified that he had not said he represented any
races, just the mushers. He said he concurred with the 200-mile
races being included and added that the races he had mentioned were
all over 200 miles.
VIOLET REDINGTON testified via teleconference in support of HB 358,
saying she agreed with the amendment. She explained Joe Redington
was hard of hearing and she was therefore assisting with the
teleconference. She said Mr. Redington had not understood
Representative Kott's question.
Number 1353
MR. REDINGTON added that the short races would be ideal also. The
small races were not well known and did not draw crowds except for
the Fur Rendezvous. He thought it would be great for the Fur
Rendezvous and North America races to be included in the
legislation, as long as the contests did not get so complicated
they made a bad name for the races. He thought it possible that
all the races could be included. He added that it was a great
thing for dog mushing.
Number 1397
DOUG KATCHATAG testified via teleconference from Unalakleet in
support of HB 358. He said that with dog mushing declining in
popularity, HB 358 would help build interest, especially in
Unalakleet with the North and South 200. He thought the three
elements would be good for that race.
Number 1453
CHRISTOPHER NAPOLI, Coordinator, Nushagak Classic, testified via
teleconference from Dillingham. He said the Nushagak Classic was
a mid-distance race of over 200 miles and an Iditarod rookie
qualifier. He said he represented the Nushagak region, with a
board of directors that had voted unanimously in support of HB 358.
MR. NAPOLI said that with increasing limits of sponsorship and the
financial burden on race committees, they saw this bill as
important to both the Nushagak Classic and to their business. He
added that it would create an essential vehicle statewide for race
committees to raise necessary funding to maintain the sport of dog
mushing. His committee, which was composed of volunteers,
currently depended on raffles and endless phone calls to procure
funds. They saw HB 358 as a step towards making the race self-
supporting.
MR. NAPOLI added his suggestion for three important elements in the
race that would be hard to manipulate: 1) the winner's time; 2)
the half-way winner's time; and 3) the red lantern time.
Number 1609
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE expressed his appreciation of Mr. Napoli's
answer regarding the three elements. However, he questioned
whether the red lantern time might not be the easiest to
manipulate, because there was certainly no rush to cross the finish
line.
Number 1573
MR. NAPOLI responded that what he had witnessed in five years of
the Nushagak Classic and other races was that when a person had
been on the trail as long as the last-place musher, that person
wanted to get home and get warm as soon as possible. Mr. Napoli
saw little likelihood that musher would want to manipulate the
finishing time. However, he admitted there would always be a
situation where someone could manipulate one element or another.
He said the elements needed to be set up properly and monitored; he
suggested that perhaps the race rules could address monitoring for
unnecessary delays.
Number 1609
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE agreed that two good elements would be the
winner's time and half-way point time. He asked for opinions on
other possible elements on which to place bets.
MR. NAPOLI replied he was not sure about including the temperature
at the start or finish because those numbers would not allow a wide
spectrum of guesses. There might be a lot of identical entries
because temperatures were not broken down like finishing times,
which are calculated to hundredths or tenths of a second.
Number 1668
MR. POSHARD referred to Representative Mackie's concern and stated
that the Charitable Gaming Division had always approached the
contest as requiring the closest guess of at least three elements.
Elements would not be looked at individually. Contests would be
set up so that all three variables were looked at to determine the
winner. He cited an example where several contestants would guess
the first element, resulting in the second element being
considered. If several had also guessed that one, they would
proceed to the third element to determine a winner.
Number 1726
CO-CHAIR ALAN AUSTERMAN asked Mr. Napoli his opinion about the 200-
mile minimum distance in HB 358.
MR. NAPOLI replied that he liked the 200-mile provision because it
allowed the Nushagak Classic and several other important races a
vehicle for fund-raising. However, the board he served on was also
involved with a local sprint race that he did not want to see
limited. He therefore felt a conflict over the issue. He stated
that he had missed part of the meeting and was not aware that the
three elements would be considered together to determine the
contest winner. In that light, he said, perhaps having the
temperature at the start or finish might be a tie-breaker that was
easy to analyze.
Number 1792
CO-CHAIR AUSTERMAN suggested that HB 358 should address age limits
for participants, as it concerned a form of gambling.
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON responded to Mr. Napoli's comment regarding
the three elements. If only one person picked the winning time,
for example, he wondered how the other two elements would be
incorporated to determine the overall winner.
MR. POSHARD commented that was a good question. He said he would
assume the first element would suffice in that instance, but
indicated he was not sure.
Number 1860
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON replied that if that were the case, it would
not address the Senate Finance Committee's concern, as there would
no longer be the control of two other elements of uncertainty.
MR. POSHARD said he saw Representative Elton's point.
Number 1876
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE affirmed that the three elements needed
further definition in HB 358. He noted that the key wording was
"of at least three elements." He thought that if temperature were
used, there would be many contestants tying on that element. But
with winning times and half-way point times, he asserted, there
would be little likelihood of duplicate winners.
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY said he surmised the contest would be like a
lottery where the contestant either chose all three elements
correctly or did not win. Most of the time, he added, there would
be no winner; he did not believe that was what the mushers wanted.
Number 1935
MR. POSHARD said his impression was different from Representative
Vezey's. However, he supposed the legislation could be read that
way. He thought the mushers definitely wanted a winner, because a
contest without a winner would backfire and hurt them in the long
run. He added that he interpreted "guess or guesses" to mean that
more than one person could win. As in the Nenana Ice Classic, if
two people had identical guesses, both would win.
Number 1967
MR. NOTTI referred to Representative Vezey's question and said the
word "closest" addressed the issue. Even if the nearest guess were
59 minutes off, someone would have the closest time.
Number 2000
BEVERLY HOFFMAN, Board of Directors, Kuskokwim 300, testified via
teleconference in favor of HB 358. She said the board supported
not only the Kuskokwim 300, but other races as well. They wanted
to bring dog mushing back in their communities and award prize
money worthy of the mushers' time and efforts. She referred to the
Fur Rendezvous and North American races and said she would support,
as she believed would the board, wording to include those two
races. Ms. Hoffman stated she was unclear about the three elements
of uncertainty. She added that the board wanted the contest based
on the closest guess of the winning time.
Number 2082
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT referred to Mr. Redington's testimony that he
would not mind lowering the mileage limit below 200 miles if it did
not complicate matters. He asked Mr. Poshard to comment on
complications from the perspective of the Charitable Gaming
Division.
Number 2100
MR. POSHARD responded that the only complication from the
division's perspective was that there would be more permits to
issue. He explained they would issue permits for both the race
itself and for this new contest under HB 358. Currently, they were
issuing 59 dog race permits per year; therefore, there would not be
more than 59 additional permits. He felt this number was not
significant enough to dramatically impact the service provided by
the Charitable Gaming Division. He thought they could maintain
current staffing and funding levels, with a zero fiscal note still
applicable.
Number 2140
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT asked if any revenue was associated with the
permits.
MR. POSHARD replied that yes, there was a small amount of revenue
from a permit fee, which cost from $20 to $100 depending on the
amount of revenue the applicant had generated the previous year.
There was also revenue generated from a 1 percent fee on the net
proceeds that an organization retained from the activity they
conducted. He explained that in the case of dog mushing contests,
that amount was very small. Few dog mushing contests were in the
business to make money; almost all money they took in was awarded
in prizes to the participants.
Number 2190
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT further asked what the Charitable Gaming
Division looked at before deciding to issue a permit.
MR. POSHARD responded that they first ensured that the organization
wishing to conduct an activity was qualified; they had to have
existed for three years immediately prior to the application,
needed 25 members and had to conduct their business in a nonprofit
manner. If those criteria were met, the division checked to see
what type of activity they wanted to conduct. If, for example, it
was a dog mushing contest, the division usually reviewed their
internal rules, since there were few statutes or regulations
addressing dog mushing contests. Mr. Poshard said although the
division sometimes recommended changes to increase the integrity
level of the race, that was about it. He added it was not a
significant portion of the division's operations; out of $257
million gross annual activity, he said, $250 million was related to
bingo and pull tabs.
Number 2262
HELEN DONAHUE, Legislative Assistant to Representative Gary Davis,
explained that Representative Davis was offering, with Co-Chair
Ivan's approval, a conceptual amendment to HB 358 adding the Seward
Silver Salmon Derby Classic and the Mountain Marathon Race Classic
to the legislation. She briefly explained both events and said the
proposed amendment was not ready yet.
Number 2340
CO-CHAIR IVAN commented that he had hoped a representative of the
Iditarod Trail Committee would have been available on
teleconference to discuss proposed changes. In order to offer that
opportunity and to consider amendments, he said, the House
Community and Regional Affairs Committee would hold HB 358 for
further consideration at the next meeting.
Number 2372
CO-CHAIR AUSTERMAN wondered how extensively the committee wanted to
open up HB 358. He mentioned that Seward was not the only place in
Alaska with a fishing derby.
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY added that as he read HB 358, it already
included salmon classics. A specific bill was not necessary to
include them.
Number 2458
MR. POSHARD responded that if he remembered correctly, the Seward
Silver Salmon Derby was already in existence. Its activities were
conducted under the fishing derby statutes, which were not specific
to any particular site or organization. On the other hand, the
statutes about salmon classics were highly specific.
Number 2451
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY asked what was being allowed in the chapter
relating to salmon classics.
MR. POSHARD replied that there were either one or two organizations
in Alaska allowed to conduct a salmon classic. He offered to look
up the statutes to clarify the matter.
TAPE 96-3, SIDE B
Number 0001
MR. POSHARD reviewed the statutes and said AS 05.15.690 authorized
a salmon classic that was a game of chance, to be operated and
administered by the United Fishermen of Alaska. In that classic,
a prize of money was awarded for the closest guess of the total
number of salmon harvested commercially statewide during a certain
period of time. He said that was the only salmon classic provided
for in statute.
0037
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY asked for clarification on the meaning of AS
05.15.180, which listed salmon classics under the exceptions of
subsection (b).
MR. POSHARD explained it specified the types of permits that could
be issued. But under the definition of "salmon classic," the
Charitable Gaming Division could only issue the permit to the
United Fishermen of Alaska. Similarly, he said, the ice classic
permit could only be issued to the Nenana Ice Classic and a couple
of others. The statutes were specific to certain organizations.
Number 0114
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY questioned whether those statutes might be
unconstitutional.
MR. POSHARD agreed that was probably so. However, he said, no one
had challenged them to date.
Number 0129
REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE referred to Co-Chair Austerman's comment
about opening up HB 358 and said that in his experience in the
Alaska State Legislature, there was at least one bill per year
dealing with this issue. He suggested that with all the exceptions
being added, perhaps they should just repeal the statute and let
any organization participate.
Number 0166
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON asked Helen Donahue if the purpose of the
salmon classic would be to sell chances at guessing the size of the
largest salmon caught.
MS. DONAHUE responded that the Chamber of Commerce would sell the
tickets. It was her understanding the contest would be based on
guesses of the weight of the fish.
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON asked if there would be an existing prize for
catching the fish, with the Chamber of Commerce then selling
chances to pick the weight or size of that fish.
MS. DONAHUE affirmed that was her understanding.
Number 0193
MR. POSHARD referred to his previous comments and clarified that
there was no statute, therefore, allowing contestants to guess the
weight of a fish to win a prize. There was only a statute covering
the salmon derby itself.
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON added that would be true unless the statute
under consideration was amended, to which Mr. Poshard agreed.
MS. DONAHUE added she understood that Representative Gary Davis's
office was drafting amendments to deal with these issues.
Number 0240
GEORGE WRIGHT, Charitable Gaming Manager, Alaska Native Brotherhood
Camp #2, testified that dog mushing should be left alone. He
asserted dog mushing was having a hard enough time across the state
because of lack of funds, sponsors and snow. He said mushers
worked hard at having a clean sport. He wanted to lower the
mileage from 200 miles to 20 miles, opening it up for all dog
mushers, including sprinters and distance mushers; he said
spectators would multiply by the hundreds. He speculated that
anyone who could rig the three elements of the hour, the minute and
the second was pretty good. He lauded dog mushers' integrity and
questioned whether mushers would ever conspire to let one be a
winner. He said dog mushers should stand alone; he did not want to
add fishing, jogging and boating to the legislation.
Number 0350
REPRESENTATIVE VEZEY asked Mr. Wright if it was his interpretation
that the hour, minute and second were three different elements of
chance.
MR. WRIGHT replied yes. He said if betting on a musher were
eliminated, using times would be fine. If several people guessed
the same time, they would split the money like they did in the
Nenana Ice Classic. He reiterated his opinion that integrity was
not a problem with dog mushers.
Number 0418
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON pointed out that Mr. Wright was the cousin of
a classic musher, Roxy Wright.
MR. WRIGHT added that in dog mushing, a storm could hold
participants up for two days. He wondered how the finishing times
could be predicted.
Number 0473
CO-CHAIR IVAN noted there had been similar interest the previous
year in including mid-distance races. He added that time
constraints had precluded adding amendments then. He emphasized
that HB 358 provided economic development activities in communities
in rural Alaska. He said he looked forward to hearing proposed
amendments and recommendations, including those from the Iditarod
Trail Committee.
Number 0571
CO-CHAIR AUSTERMAN asked Co-Chair Ivan, as sponsor of the bill, and
his staff to take a look at age limits as they related to gambling.
CO-CHAIR IVAN replied that he also wanted to address that concern.
He noted that HB 358 would be heard again on Thursday, January 25,
if they were able to contact the Iditarod Trail Committee to
testify.
Number 0620
MR. WRIGHT added further comments, suggesting that if sprinters
were not included, they would approach the legislature the next
year.
CO-CHAIR IVAN announced that HB 391, and possibly HB 383, would be
heard Thursday, January 25. He reminded committee members that the
subcommittee meeting on HB 383 was that afternoon at 4:00 p.m.
Number 0678
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to conduct, CO-CHAIR IVAN adjourned
the House Community and Regional Affairs Committee meeting at 2:07
p.m.
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